Comments on: Us v. Them http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60 Back Talk 'N Beer With a Bite Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:55:46 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jim http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4813 Jim Sat, 05 May 2007 01:32:54 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4813 Mike Daisey Audience Protest, Walkout and Attack Video Video Home Uploaded by mdaisey Date uploaded: Sat Apr 21 11:12:52 2007 Length: 576 seconds Viewed: 122749 times Average Rating: 4.70 (637 votes) Description: Mike Daisey was performing his monologue INVINCIBLE SUMMER at American Repertory Theatre on April 19th when the show was disrupted by eighty seven members of a Christian group who walked out of the show en masse to protest the content, and chose to physically attack the work by pouring water on and destroying the original of his show outline. For a full account of the experience please visit http://tinyurl.com/3cq5wu and http://mikedaisey.com Date of recording: 2007-04-19 Channels: News & Politics Mike Daisey Audience Protest, Walkout and Attack Video
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Date uploaded: Sat Apr 21 11:12:52 2007
Length: 576 seconds
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Average Rating: 4.70 (637 votes)
Description: Mike Daisey was performing his monologue INVINCIBLE SUMMER at American Repertory Theatre on April 19th when the show was disrupted by eighty seven members of a Christian group who walked out of the show en masse to protest the content, and chose to physically attack the work by pouring water on and destroying the original of his show outline. For a full account of the experience please visit http://tinyurl.com/3cq5wu and http://mikedaisey.com
Date of recording: 2007-04-19
Channels: News & Politics

]]> By: Jim http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4812 Jim Sat, 05 May 2007 01:15:45 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4812 My son was there . One thing most people are missing. It seems to me, Mr Mike Daisey, knew before he posted on youtube, who this group were and came from. In the info area of the clip It states 87 members of a Christian group. why? I talk to him about this in messages ,he said he had posted before he knew who they were. It does not look that way to me . The one that puts the clips on youtube, are able to pull their clips, and repost, They can remove comments and block veiwers from making a comment. Which he did to me. Day of walk out 4-19-07 Talked with Cindy L. from the school and the man the poured water David 4-20-07 acording to news papers and his site. Youtube shows posted 4-21-07. Why? After reading much about Mr. Daisey and hid followers. I think I have the answer. Seems as he forgave 1 and punished 86 others lets not count the other 11 adults just the 75 kids that were 14-17 years of age. He heard there cries with their comments . They were high school kids from s. California .there for choral competition. To date 5-4-02 more info are shows Christian he could have corrected this on 4-21-07 why My son was there .
One thing most people are missing. It seems to me, Mr Mike Daisey, knew before he posted on youtube, who this group were and came from. In the info area of the clip It states 87 members of a Christian group. why?
I talk to him about this in messages ,he said he had posted before he knew who they were. It does not look that way to me . The one that puts the clips on youtube, are able to pull their clips, and repost, They can remove comments and block veiwers from making a comment. Which he did to me.
Day of walk out 4-19-07
Talked with Cindy L. from the school and the man the poured water David 4-20-07 acording to news papers and his site.
Youtube shows posted 4-21-07.
Why? After reading much about Mr. Daisey and hid followers. I think I have the answer.
Seems as he forgave 1 and punished 86 others lets not count the other 11 adults just the 75 kids that were 14-17 years of age.
He heard there cries with their comments .
They were high school kids from s. California .there for choral competition.
To date 5-4-02 more info are shows Christian he could have corrected this on 4-21-07 why

]]> By: nick http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4661 nick Wed, 02 May 2007 10:37:40 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4661 Kim, You said: "a group from the “West Overshoe Public High School Bible Society” or similar, as I understand is the case." Where, how, and by what means, did you come to this faulty understanding? Hearsay and/or slander, but not from reading any actual facts about the group. Mike Daisey is now in contact with group members and <a title="mike comment at playgoer" href="http://playgoer.blogspot.com/2007/04/daisey-denouement.html#comment-4408584118026208394" rel="nofollow">promises a report</a>. Kim,

You said: “a group from the “West Overshoe Public High School Bible Society” or similar, as I understand is the case.”

Where, how, and by what means, did you come to this faulty understanding? Hearsay and/or slander, but not from reading any actual facts about the group.

Mike Daisey is now in contact with group members and promises a report.

]]> By: Kim http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4625 Kim Tue, 01 May 2007 10:53:38 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4625 Actually, if I may also offer a few other details to clarify my perspective -- no, I do not believe targeting the entire Christian Right as a whole is fair in this instance, and I ESPECIALLY do not believe that targeting Christianity is a whole is fair. But if the group itself, even though they were coming from a public school, signed up as a group from the "West Overshoe Public High School Bible Society" or similar, as I understand is the case, then I believe it's appropriate to refer to them as a Christian group. Using that as an excuse to target all Christians isn't fair, I agree, but saying that they're NOT a Christian group when they went under the name of one is, I would gently suggest, turning a blind eye to the fact that a group of Christians may be a little mistaken about the face they are presenting to nonChristians. Actually, if I may also offer a few other details to clarify my perspective — no, I do not believe targeting the entire Christian Right as a whole is fair in this instance, and I ESPECIALLY do not believe that targeting Christianity is a whole is fair. But if the group itself, even though they were coming from a public school, signed up as a group from the “West Overshoe Public High School Bible Society” or similar, as I understand is the case, then I believe it’s appropriate to refer to them as a Christian group. Using that as an excuse to target all Christians isn’t fair, I agree, but saying that they’re NOT a Christian group when they went under the name of one is, I would gently suggest, turning a blind eye to the fact that a group of Christians may be a little mistaken about the face they are presenting to nonChristians.

]]> By: Kim http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4624 Kim Tue, 01 May 2007 10:49:25 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4624 Nick, I saw your comments on the ClydeFitch blog, wherein you challenge Mr. Jacobs to present his evidence to counter your claims that there were two school groups present at the event, and that calling the protesters "a Christian group" was inaccurate. I'm actually more interested in seeing YOUR sources, because what you're saying contradicts all other reports I've seen of the incident, including Daisey's. And, well, he certainly was present, so as your claims contradict an actual person involved, I believe I'd be more interested in seeing what is behind your statement. Nick,

I saw your comments on the ClydeFitch blog, wherein you challenge Mr. Jacobs to present his evidence to counter your claims that there were two school groups present at the event, and that calling the protesters “a Christian group” was inaccurate.

I’m actually more interested in seeing YOUR sources, because what you’re saying contradicts all other reports I’ve seen of the incident, including Daisey’s. And, well, he certainly was present, so as your claims contradict an actual person involved, I believe I’d be more interested in seeing what is behind your statement.

]]> By: nick http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4622 nick Tue, 01 May 2007 09:24:19 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4622 As Mac points out in his post: “The 'Christian group' described in the original post were students, chaperones, and teachers from Norco High School in California, a public high school with an Amnesty International Club and a Gay And Straight Alliance alongside the Alpha Omega Bible Club.” It’s very possible someone in their own group misrepresented them that night at the theatre. But the principal of the school speaks for them now. He is not part of some Christian conspiracy. It’s disingenuous of you to say they represent themselves as a public school only under the scrutiny of the press. You have been reading the comments at YouTube. You have even placed your own comment there. So you have seen the many Norco high school students and parents attempting to correct the misrepresentation of their school, such as this comment: Evecaura (5 days ago) “I didn't read all the comments, so I am sorry if this has already been said. The school in question is NOT a Christian school. In fact, it's a public school from Southern California, not Northern. I graduated from there a few years ago and read about this incident in the local paper. Yes, the teacher is Christian and that has always been well known. However, the Choir is NOT a Christian group and has had many different religions in it.” Your obstinacy here is more than just puzzling. Likewise the notion that you and ART are not using the YouTube video clip as a form of self-promotion is ridiculous. You say you have received thousands of letters of support. So the promotion is working well. As for you saying that this Paris Hilton clip doesn’t represent your work favorably. Well, that’s all in your control, isn’t it? The video clip could be removed from the YouTube site by ART and you at any time. Theatre is mostly an elite art form today. I am glad you will be looking at the public v. private school issue. I’ll watch for your comments. Best of luck with your new show. Keep on keepin’ on. As Mac points out in his post:

“The ‘Christian group’ described in the original post were students, chaperones, and teachers from Norco High School in California, a public high school with an Amnesty International Club and a Gay And Straight Alliance alongside the Alpha Omega Bible Club.”

It’s very possible someone in their own group misrepresented them that night at the theatre. But the principal of the school speaks for them now. He is not part of some Christian conspiracy. It’s disingenuous of you to say they represent themselves as a public school only under the scrutiny of the press. You have been reading the comments at YouTube. You have even placed your own comment there. So you have seen the many Norco high school students and parents attempting to correct the misrepresentation of their school, such as this comment:

Evecaura (5 days ago)
“I didn’t read all the comments, so I am sorry if this has already been said. The school in question is NOT a Christian school. In fact, it’s a public school from Southern California, not Northern. I graduated from there a few years ago and read about this incident in the local paper. Yes, the teacher is Christian and that has always been well known. However, the Choir is NOT a Christian group and has had many different religions in it.”

Your obstinacy here is more than just puzzling.

Likewise the notion that you and ART are not using the YouTube video clip as a form of self-promotion is ridiculous. You say you have received thousands of letters of support. So the promotion is working well.

As for you saying that this Paris Hilton clip doesn’t represent your work favorably. Well, that’s all in your control, isn’t it? The video clip could be removed from the YouTube site by ART and you at any time.

Theatre is mostly an elite art form today. I am glad you will be looking at the public v. private school issue. I’ll watch for your comments. Best of luck with your new show. Keep on keepin’ on.

]]> By: Mike Daisey http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60&cpage=1#comment-4615 Mike Daisey Tue, 01 May 2007 02:45:57 +0000 http://ratconference.com/blog/?p=60#comment-4615 I have already posted my follow up, where I make clear my feelings on the matter of their identity as a Christian group--namely that they used this identity consistently the entire evening at the theater until the light of public scrutiny caused them to retract it and they remembered they were from a public high school. http://www.mikedaisey.com/2007/04/aftermath-and-confrontation.sht For my part, I don't consider this terribly useful self-promotion--my work has been flattened and aseessed in light of an off-color Paris Hilton reference, which I stand behind as part of this piece, but it doesn't reflect the full scope of what I do. Tickets for the shows in Cambridge are not selling appreciably better since the kerfuffle--sales are flat, and we can't see any spike from any of this. Others will pooh-pooh and insist that it is wonderful for me, but I'm not convinced that's true at all. I *am* convinced that if I had done nothing I would have received no contact or resolution from the person responsible--they had every intention of walking away and never looking back. I think the issue of public high school versus private is a troubling one--I've been thinking about that a lot, and anyone who knows my work knows where my sympathies lie. I'm opening MONOPOLY! tomorrow, but later I might write about this more, maybe after more of it has died down. I have already posted my follow up, where I make clear my feelings on the matter of their identity as a Christian group–namely that they used this identity consistently the entire evening at the theater until the light of public scrutiny caused them to retract it and they remembered they were from a public high school.

http://www.mikedaisey.com/2007/04/aftermath-and-confrontation.sht

For my part, I don’t consider this terribly useful self-promotion–my work has been flattened and aseessed in light of an off-color Paris Hilton reference, which I stand behind as part of this piece, but it doesn’t reflect the full scope of what I do. Tickets for the shows in Cambridge are not selling appreciably better since the kerfuffle–sales are flat, and we can’t see any spike from any of this. Others will pooh-pooh and insist that it is wonderful for me, but I’m not convinced that’s true at all. I *am* convinced that if I had done nothing I would have received no contact or resolution from the person responsible–they had every intention of walking away and never looking back.

I think the issue of public high school versus private is a troubling one–I’ve been thinking about that a lot, and anyone who knows my work knows where my sympathies lie. I’m opening MONOPOLY! tomorrow, but later I might write about this more, maybe after more of it has died down.

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